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Personal Defense Network Forum » Recent Topics http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/ en Sun, 01 Aug 2010 01:36:28 +0000 cshoff on "Concealment holsters......What's your flavor?" http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/topic/concealment-holsterswhats-your-flavor#post-69 Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:46:38 +0000 cshoff 69@http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/ I thought this might make for some informative and interesting discussion. It seems that everyone has a particular brand or style of concealment holster they prefer for daily carry. What kind of rig do you use most often? Belt, holster, and handgun? I've been carrying my primary carry piece, a SW40GVE, in a IWB holster made by a St. Louis company called <a href="http://www.kholster.com/">Kholster</a> for the past year now and have been really happy with it since day one. I use a Wilderness Tactical Instructor 5-stitch belt to keep everything nice and secure to my person. Spare mags are usually riding in a Bianchi Accumold pouch, or sometimes a single mag will tag along alone in a left rear pocket. Nckkangrga on "FLASHLIGHTS" http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/topic/flashlights#post-173 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:40:03 +0000 Nckkangrga 173@http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/ This is a topic that is talked about around my parts ALOT more then most will admit. I believe the reason is because there are SO MANY different types of tactical flashlights on the market today. Many, including myself, have also dealt with flashlights which performed GREAT for the first few months and then began draining power FAST, or just not as reliable as it used to be. What do you guys think? For tactical, home defense, in your glove box, or in your back pocket, which flashlights are you guys using? How long have you been using it and why did you choose that specific light? Do you believe a light with the "strobe light" feature is worth the money or not? Share your experiences! Thanks, Nick- CrahomPC on "Your non-lethal weapon of choice?" http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/topic/your-non-lethal-weapon-of-choice#post-208 Mon, 26 Apr 2010 21:58:19 +0000 CrahomPC 208@http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/ Hey guys, I wanted to get a general consensus of what type of weapons would be good for self-defense, while being non-lethal. To make a long story short, I recently nabbed the graveyard shift for extra hours and I'm leaving the family home alone at night. I have myself a Smith & Wesson Model 22A just for recreational shooting and I feel that they wouldn't be able to use it for defense purposes in a jam. Does anyone have any suggestions or have been in this position before? Would be a major relief for me to have a piece of mind in this situation. Thanks! cshoff on "How many train for ambidexterity?" http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/topic/how-many-train-for-ambidexterity#post-35 Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:26:12 +0000 cshoff 35@http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/ Something I have always tried to impress upon my students, as well as incorporate into my own training, is the skill of being able to use either hand to access, present, and fire the defensive handgun at a target. As one of my favorite writers likes to say, there is no guarantee that both hands will "be able to make the appointment" when the moment of truth arrives. With that said, it seems as though defensive carry rigs that make presentation with either hand very hard, or even impossible, are becoming more and more popular these days. A lot of folks are now opting for strong side pocket carry with compact to micro-sized guns as a matter of comfort and convenience, and there seems to also recently be a surge of interest in shoulder rigs for one reason or another. Certain types of belt carry, as well as thigh rigs, can make this a difficult task to perform as well. In my opinion, ambidextrous gun handling is a vital skill that we should all strive to be able to perform efficiently, regardless of our chosen carry method. We never know when or how we may be confronted by a threat, but we can usually count on it coming at the most inopportune moment. I thought it would make for an interesting discussion if we all talked a little about how we addressed this issue in our training. Is this part of your training regimen? Do you spend a lot of time on it? Do you spend little time on it? Let's hear about your method of carry and how you train for this tactical reality. RobPincus on "Sub-Compact Small Caliber Firearms" http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/topic/sub-compact-small-caliber-firearms#post-21 Wed, 20 Jan 2010 01:55:12 +0000 RobPincus 21@http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/ A lot of the buzz at the first day of SHOT show was about small frame sub-caliber firearms. Earlier this year, we released a training DVD in the Personal Firearms Defense Video series on this very topic. Now, offerings from Kahr, S&W and others have joined the Kel-tec and Ruger offerings. Personally, while I appreciate the firearms and have carried .380s and .32s in the past, I have preferred to go no smaller than a snub .38 revolver most of the time. Has anyone here on the forums chosen to carry a slim ultra compact as a primary defensive tool? -RJP joemerchant24 on "Dry fire + laser = training scar?" http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/topic/dry-fire-laser-training-scar#post-301 Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:39:49 +0000 joemerchant24 301@http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/ I am seriously looking at one of the LaserLyte training modules. I have two worries about it. 1) Will this create a training scar of coming up off the sights in order to see the 100m/s laser dot? I understand distance will dictate sights vs physiological aiming, but I worry this practice will hardwire me to look at the target immediately after every shot regardless of distance. 2) This is a dry fire concern in general. When I practice dry, what's the best way to handle a SA or striker fired semi-auto? Should I fire one, pause, cycle? Or shot one, cycle, shot two. I worry immediately cycling a semi will return at a bad time and I'll shoot, rack out a good round, shoot, rack out a good round. If I pause to break that cycle, I worry about ingraining one shot then evaluate. I know there's no perfect answer, but best practices would be appreciated JasonStorm on "Training or Fantasy?" http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/topic/training-or-fantasy#post-259 Wed, 02 Jun 2010 07:25:48 +0000 JasonStorm 259@http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/ With the discussion of "Realistic Training". As a civilian attending so called "Tactical" type training (Running and Gunning, Carbines and Transitions) are you training to your fight or within your scope? Or, are you on a fantasy adventure? What's your Plausibility Factor? Your thoughts. ZenGunFighter on "What is 'realistic' training?" http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/topic/what-is-realistic-training#post-245 Tue, 25 May 2010 10:04:30 +0000 ZenGunFighter 245@http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/ What constitutes 'realistic' training? What is it based on? Is what is 'realistic' training for a LEO, appropriate or aplicable to a citizen with a CCW? Nckkangrga on "Ammunition" http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/topic/ammunition#post-154 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:50:58 +0000 Nckkangrga 154@http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/ What are you guys using and swear by? I am currently using Speer Gold Dot .40cal out of my Sig p226. I am thinking about trying some different ammunition and see if there is anything out there that will shoot more accurate. What are you guys shooting, and results you guys are seeing? uman on "practice" http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/topic/practice#post-297 Thu, 08 Jul 2010 16:15:00 +0000 uman 297@http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/ Hi Shooters, Been laid up for awhile, what's the best way to begin practicing my shooting, I don't have training like most you, just basic skills in handguns. RobPincus on "Less than 1 week to the new season of S.W.A.T. Magazine TV!" http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/topic/less-than-1-week-to-the-new-season-of-swat-magazine-tv#post-288 Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:22:28 +0000 RobPincus 288@http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/ June 30th is the start of the new season.. several PDN contributors will be featured in the new season.. including Kent O'Donnell in the first episode! Check out this video: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gcn6sTXTPo">S.W.A.T. Season Two Teaser.</a> Looking forward to feedback here at PDN! -RJP RobPincus on "Welcome!" http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/topic/welcome#post-16 Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:08:48 +0000 RobPincus 16@http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/ Welcome to the Personal Defense Network discussion forums! This area will serve as a venue for productive discussions on a variety of topics. Keep in mind that the forums are searchable and your questions and contributions become part of an ever-growing archive of important information. Posts will be monitored with this fact in mind. I look forward to interacting with all of our members in this important community. -Rob Pincus -Managing Editor GeorgeHill on "I know this is personal defense..." http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/topic/i-know-this-is-personal-defense#post-282 Wed, 23 Jun 2010 21:05:46 +0000 GeorgeHill 282@http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/ But I am very much set in using a long gun as much as possible when ever possible. I keep a shotgun in my truck, ready to go. My pistol is for if I'm away from my truck or until I get to my truck. Rob did a video on a Lever Action, which was great, but I'd like to see some shotgun work too. reno92 on "reload from high compressed ready" http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/topic/reload-from-high-compressed-ready#post-268 Thu, 10 Jun 2010 07:34:51 +0000 reno92 268@http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/ I am wondering if there are any disadvantages to having the magwell parallel to the ground, as apposed to having it straight vertical, when inserting a fresh mag. for me anyways its easier, but is there something I am missing? Going through Robs videos, it doesn't appear to be advocated. What are the tactical advantages that would offset my speed, and smoothness difference. many thanks. Artista on "A suggestion for a video..." http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/topic/a-suggestion-for-a-video#post-276 Sat, 19 Jun 2010 22:27:44 +0000 Artista 276@http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/ Hey all, I am new to CCW, and would like some pointers re: drawing from conceal. Clearing the clothing specifically. Different clothing issues - jackets, loose shirts, t-shirt, etc. I can see that in a critical incident that drawing safely and efficiently would be of the utmost importance. I have seen video in the context of drawing in a car. But the basics of drawing from under a 5.11 shirt (what my church is using for the security team) and other clothing issues would be helpful. We definitely have all 4 seasons here and the different clothing options are well represented. Maybe this would be a good idea for a video segment *hint hint* Thanks for any input. BTW, the small detail re: the direction of the magazine in the "Reloading a pistol in critical incidents" video was a great help. Thanks. Daniel on "686 Work in progress..." http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/topic/686-short-stop#post-107 Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:28:51 +0000 Daniel 107@http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/ Just returned from the local gun shop after inspecting my new arrival from S&W. It’s a 686 2.5” variant. I was told it was the only ‘new’ one available across the network and I was a bit surprised it arrived so quickly. I ordered it on Friday and it came in on Wednesday! In any event I was pleased. The darn thing is a handful, or at least its stubby L-frame design makes it look that way. Granted, I don’t have a large posture and my hands are medium at best. The stock Batman grips fit me better than I expected. Still, I’ll be sending it off to be tweaked, mooned and honed while I'll ask H. Bowen to add his sights and tune it. I haven’t decided if I’ll leave the hammer alone or bobb it. If I'm feeling large afterwards, I may well have it finished in either hard chrome or NP3. Frankly, I never have really liked the stock stainless look from smith but that's just me. In any event, I was looking for a good range gun and a custom candidate and this should do fine. Any thoughts are welcomed as this forum is still new, so I thought to throw this out. Regards, Dan Ortego cshoff on "Defensive shooting positions." http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/topic/defensive-shooting-positions#post-163 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:33:30 +0000 cshoff 163@http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/ After watching one of the recent videos posted here on PDN (<a href="http://video.personaldefensenetwork.com/video/Stance-and-Movement">Stance and Movement</a>), I wanted to ask a couple of questions, primarily of Rob since he is the one presenting the material in the video, but I'd certainly like to invite everyone else to join in on a discussion regarding this topic. Rob - First off, right off the bat in the video, you make the statement that, "stance is a matter of convenience". I couldn't agree more, and that is something I try to communicate with my students as well. You then talk about keeping the orientation of the firearm consistent with the orientation of the head; again making valid and logical points. In fact, I find that all of the points you presented in the video are well reasoned and in line with having consistency in your training. My question concerns the portion where you talk about a "staggered" foot position; the kind of position that would be synonymous with the Weaver or Chapman positions that many shooters prefer. You mention in the video that if we "believe we need to shoot" from a staggered foot position, we may "hesitate" to address the threat if our feet aren't already in a staggered position at the time. While I understand the concept you are trying to convey, I have to wonder how likely it is that we will be in a "neutral" foot position at the moment we are confronted with threat out on the street in the first place? My guess is that it is much more probable that we will find ourselves in some type of staggered position rather than a neutral position. After all, a staggered foot position is necessary for movement; ie: if we want to walk, run, jog, back-step, etc., we must place our feet in a staggered position, and we are most likely going to be engaged in one of these above actions at the time we are confronted by a threat, rather than standing still. We must also consider that we will have to use a staggered foot position when shooting around cover or concealment as a matter of necessity. So with this understanding, wouldn't we find ourselves with the same kind of hesitation problem if we believe we must have our feet in a neutral (squared to the threat) position before we address the threat? There are a lot of people who tend to naturally place their body in the "fighter" stance when confronted by a threat which, ironically, uses the same staggered foot position as is used with the Weaver or Chapman positions. Are these people better off to try to unlearn the positions they are now using in favor of learning to shoot from the neutral position presented in the video? For the record, I'm not trying to start the old "Weaver versus Isosceles" argument. I am legitimately interested in professional opinions from folks who can articulate quantifiable reasons as to why one method is measurably better than the other and why one method wouldn't be subject to the same type of tactical problems as the other. I'd also be interested in any other relevant discussion anyone would like to interject here regarding this subject. Thanks in advance for any replies. Zman05 on "Flashlight techniques" http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/topic/flashlight-techniques#post-180 Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:12:58 +0000 Zman05 180@http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/ Recently, I have been thinking about defensive flashlight techniques in relation to the skills learned at Combat Focus Shooting taught by Rob Pincus which I recently attended in January. After learning about working with what the body does naturally; I wanted to apply that concept to other defensive skills; in this case, flashlight techniques. I am neither a trainer nor a martial artist; I am simply someone who is interested in the topic and want to focus my practice time on the most efficient techniques. Consequently, I have looked at the flashlight techniques, (I am familiar with), to discover what might be best for me; given I want apply the CFS concepts of efficiency and consistency while working with what the body does naturally. Below are my initial thoughts on what will work best for me. The techniques below assume a standard tail cap modern flashlight operated in the “weak” hand. As well as, in normal use; the light is best utilized in a stabbing / ice pick style with the thumb activating the switch. Harries Positives – With a tail cap flashlight, the hand does not have to change grip to move from search mode to coordinated mode with a gun. When in search mode, (stab grip with thumb on tail cap switch); the hand is naturally high and flexible for searching with the light. In a startle response the hand is in a good position to protect the face naturally. Negatives - Weaver bladed stance that works well with the Harries is only natural in competition and target shooting. Weaver based foot position slows mobility laterally. In high compressed ready, the Harries feels unnatural and the light or gun tends to point off center when held in tight to the body. Transition from search mode to application of force, is less efficient as you need to cross arms to apply the technique rather than just quickly extend. When combining tactics with a gun Harries works best with extended ready which exposes to potential gun grab and fatigue. Conclusion – This was the technique that I practiced. Now after CFS I realize that my normal isosceles style stance was not consistent what I was doing with a flashlight. This technique does not fit my criteria. Surefire / Syringe Style Positives – Light and gun in consistent position for the high compressed ready and application of force with the firearm. The light and gun naturally extend to the target and will attain mechanical lock; cognitive action is not required to halt the aiming process. Negatives – Search mode (stab grip with thumb on switch) is inconsistent with application of the light with the gun. The technique requires the light to be turned in the hand. Getting the light in position is a fine motor skill and subject to fumble. Conclusion – For me this makes total sense on paper or when verbalized. However, when I apply it with other efficient techniques it seems to come up short. FBI – I must admit greater ignorance of this technique. The advantage I see with this is return fire at the direction of the light would be away from the centerline of the body. It seems to require more constant on mode with the light to be at its best. I need more education in this technique. Neck index Positives – The flashlight is in a good position to transfer from searching or the startle response to a neck or chin reference position. The flashlight hand is available and naturally positioned for fending of others. The flashlight use does not force a change in handgun deployment. The gun is drawn out of the holster to high compressed ready or extended to fire as appropriate. If a lanyard is used the flashlight hand is available and in position to perform reloads and malfunction clearing. Vision and light move together as the head moves. In extreme CQB situation where I may strike with the light or other physical technique the application of the handgun would be consistent with normal, greater than two arm length, tactics. The difference would be the extent of the extension of the handgun. CQB would use a gun hand thumb and mag well body index while shooting from retention and normal application would fully extend the firearm. Negative – Due to the height of the light, splash back from inappropriate illumination could hurt night vision. The handgun must be deployed with a single hand only. Conclusion – Based on this initial view the neck / chin index provides the consistency and efficiency, I am looking for. I will continue to refine my selection. Hopefully I have articulated these points so they made sense. I offer these thoughts to get the feedback of the forum and to invite discussion. Take Care David reno92 on "Favorite target styles" http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/topic/favorite-target-styles#post-80 Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:40:26 +0000 reno92 80@http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/ For training puposes, and new shooters, what type of target works the best, The b27 type for me anyways is hard to get good accuracy with, due to not having a definite aim point, but on the other side of the coin is, is having a specific aim point counter productive. Any thoughts? Nckkangrga on "Fitting" http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/topic/fitting#post-125 Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:11:58 +0000 Nckkangrga 125@http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/ I own a Sig Sauer P226R. I LOVE IT. It is incredibly reliable, have not had one issue with it other then the fact that I dont think it fits my hand. When I draw my p226 I find that the muzzle is constantly pointing to the right. In-fact the front sight it always covered by the right portion of the rear sight. I have to adjust my grip to line up the pistol. My question is, I would really like to stick with a Sig Sauer, Can anyone recommend a pistol with a smaller grip which may fit my hand? I was hoping the P229R but have not held one yet. Thank You, Nick uman on "When you can't train" http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/topic/when-you-cant-train#post-203 Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:50:04 +0000 uman 203@http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/ Hello, I've had a carry permit in Florida since 2005, but not able to train for personal defense, because of money and physical issues. My question is, would dvd's offered here help in any way and help me feel more comfortable carrying my weapon. Thanks in advance cshoff on "Engaging multiple threats..." http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/topic/engaging-multiple-threats#post-121 Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:35:00 +0000 cshoff 121@http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/ I think it's safe to say that most of us have seen this scenario at one time or another during our training; shooter standing at the firing line, 2 targets downrange at a close distance from the shooter (typically around 15 feet) and at a specified distance from each other (typically less than 8 feet), both of them presumed threats. On the start command, the shooter must access his/her weapon, present his/her weapon, and then engage both threats within a specified time period. In the simplistic scenario above, and for the purposes of this thread, we are assuming that both threats are equal threats and pose an equal amount of danger to us. In my training, I have always trained to engage each target with one shot in this situation, then re-assess each threat and continue engaging them in order of tactical importance until they are no longer a threat. The thought process has always been that, at such close distances, these two attackers simply won't allow you the time to perform a double tap on each of them. In other words, by the time you get your first double tap off, the attacker that you haven't addressed yet may well be on top of you. At such close ranges, it seems to me that we have a higher tactical probability of getting one well-placed shot on each attacker in such a short time frame and under such stressful conditions, than we would in getting a double-tap into each target under the same pressures of time and stress. In fact, I believe that a quick demonstration of the Tueller drill highlights the very brief reactionary gap that really exists in such a situation. The thing is, I have seen a number of training programs, even some for law enforcement, that teach the shooter to engage each threat with a double-tap, then re-assess. This assumes that the shooter will actually have enough time to do this during a real, multiple-threat, life threatening encounter. It also seems as though some of the competitive shooting circles, most notably the IDPA (simply because that is the one I am most familiar with), emphasize the double-tap in almost all of the scenarios they utilize that address multiple threats at close distances. My question here is most specifically directed at Rob and Grant, but certainly to anyone else who has knowledge in this area. What do you suggest is the best way to address a threat situation like the one I described above? I realize that there could be any number of variables involved in a real encounter, but given the simple scenario above, how do you teach your students to deal with the situation? Do you believe engaging each threat with one well-placed shot to begin with places the shooter in a more advantageous position than it would if the shooter attempted a double tap on each threat, or do you believe a double tap into each threat at such short range is a better way to go? I would appreciate any input you could provide as I certainly respect your opinions on these subjects guys. Thank you in advance. Nckkangrga on "Rob Pincus, or Anyone else..." http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/topic/rob-pincus-or-anyone-else#post-136 Sun, 14 Feb 2010 16:54:46 +0000 Nckkangrga 136@http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/ I am Interested in taking some of Rob Pincus's Courses. I would like to start from the absolute beginning and lean the fundamentals of shooting and precision shooting with a pistol. I would then like to work my way up and take as many courses as possible, My Fiancee will most likely be taking these courses with me. Any suggestions on which courses I should take? Thanks, Nick Zman05 on "Stoppage Assessment" http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/topic/stoppage-assessment#post-192 Fri, 02 Apr 2010 19:54:54 +0000 Zman05 192@http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/ Recently, I purchased some of Magpul Dynamics training video series. They are top notch! Travis Hailey and Chris Costa both recommend taking a split second to assess a malfunction type; then go directly to to appropriate clearing technique. For example, see you have a stove pipe, you sweep the case out and resume shooting. You do not waste time with a tap and rack. The thought is that the quick assessment and appropriate clearing technique is more efficient and gets you back in action quicker. The technique I use is go directly to a tap, rack, & assess without any effort to identify the cause of the malfunction. If that does not work go to unload reload technique. The reason I have used this is a belief it is most efficient. Also, I attempt to keep my eye on the threat and employ lateral movement. One problem I have with my current technique is I do not always know the malfunction I had to assess the likelihood of a malfunction. I would like to hear your experience and opinions on what you do and why. Take Care David mchasal on "AAR: NE Shooter's Summit" http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/topic/aar-ne-shooters-summit#post-191 Fri, 02 Apr 2010 16:40:45 +0000 mchasal 191@http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/ This past weekend I had the pleasure of attending the NE Shooter's Summit in Pelham, NH. Instructors include Rob, Chris Fry, SouthNarc William Aprill and others. You can read my reports here: <a href="http://threadlessnut.com/2010/03/28/neshooters/" rel="nofollow">http://threadlessnut.com/2010/03/28/neshooters/</a> Link to Day 2 at the bottom. Great weekend, I'll be hitting you guys up to go next year. ;) meshach on "New Forum features!" http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/topic/new-forum-features#post-202 Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:22:56 +0000 meshach 202@http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/ New forum features! We have added many new forum features like: <ul>Text editor Image upload Video embed Post count Username Link to user home page Inline quotes Signatures </ul> Please let the PDN team know what you think! Regards, Meshach Firebrand reno92 on "wich pistol to bring to class" http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/topic/ammo-cost#post-150 Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:03:32 +0000 reno92 150@http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/ I am trying to get the funds together to take a combt focus class. Here is my dilemma. With the cost of ammunition am I better off using a 9mm that I dont like as much, or spend more money on ammo to use a 45 that I shoot better with. I have tried to like my glock 19, but just dont do as well. On one hand it would be good to overcome my weaknesses, and use less expensive ammo, But my xd 45 is so much more natural, to me. Being on a tight budget isn't helpfull. I do carry both for SD , and have used the glock in another training course, for that reason. And the fact it was put on by someone who shouldn't be training anyone, I didnt want to WASTE my 45 ammo. Any thoughts would be helpful. I have been going back and forth on this for a while now. RobPincus on "After Action Report from New York State CFS Course, Jan 2010" http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/topic/after-action-report-from-new-york-state-cfs-course-jan-2010#post-108 Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:42:06 +0000 RobPincus 108@http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/ Here is a URL for a very thorough After Action Report from a Combat Focus Shooting Course which was conducted a couple of weekends ago in New York state. <a href="http://www.mdtstraining.com/AAR_CFS.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.mdtstraining.com/AAR_CFS.pdf</a> CharlesRives on "Personal Fitness Standards" http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/topic/personal-fitness-standards#post-70 Mon, 01 Feb 2010 05:23:14 +0000 CharlesRives 70@http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/ Do you maintain some sort of personal standard to judge you fitness against? For example, even though I'm not in the military, I like to ensure that I can pass the physical readiness tests for both the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Physical_Fitness_Test">Army's Airborne school admission</a> and the (right age and gender version of the)<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marine_Corps_Physical_Fitness_Test">United States Marine Corps Physical Fitness Test.</a> These tests are both somewhat arbitrary but have a broad background of experience base behind them. From another phase of my career, I was on a committee to research and select a physical readiness test. We found strength tests, agility tests, health and fitness tests and fitness-related job skills tests. Many organizations are now splitting their fitness test and a job skills test. The fitness test is now (often) becoming a safety and risk management tool. It is intended to answer the question, "is this person likely to become an injury or fatality due to their poor health?" A fitness test may include something like: starting from a resting heart rate, perform X number of repetitions of exercise Y within 2 minutes. Heart rate must not exceed 90% MHR and must return to within 15% of base rate within Y minutes." Job skills testing chooses physically demanding job tasks and assigns standards to those. For example "pick up a 150-lb dummy and move it across a room, up a flight of stairs and across another room to a finish point within X seconds." I've been trying to think of what might be a good set of job skills to test for personal defense. The first and most testable that I've come up with has been sprint for a distance approximating one city block. Ordnancecorp on "If you have to carry a .380, which ammo." http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/topic/if-you-have-to-carry-a-380-which-ammo#post-88 Sun, 07 Feb 2010 18:02:28 +0000 Ordnancecorp 88@http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/forum/ Hey all, After reading through the discussion on the mouse guns I had a question on ammo for the 380. I picked up a P3AT from a friend who needed the cash and not having owned one I am unsure on how to judge which ammo would be best for carry. I know I need to train with it more than my main carry(G19)to become proficient with it. SO how do you judge ammo to be the best for carry other than reliability in the specific weapon? Thanks