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Stoppage Assessment

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  1. Zman05

    David S.

    Junior Member
    Joined: Mar '10
    Posts: 7

    Recently, I purchased some of Magpul Dynamics training video series. They are top notch!

    Travis Hailey and Chris Costa both recommend taking a split second to assess a malfunction type; then go directly to to appropriate clearing technique. For example, see you have a stove pipe, you sweep the case out and resume shooting. You do not waste time with a tap and rack. The thought is that the quick assessment and appropriate clearing technique is more efficient and gets you back in action quicker.

    The technique I use is go directly to a tap, rack, & assess without any effort to identify the cause of the malfunction. If that does not work go to unload reload technique. The reason I have used this is a belief it is most efficient. Also, I attempt to keep my eye on the threat and employ lateral movement.

    One problem I have with my current technique is I do not always know the malfunction I had to assess the likelihood of a malfunction.

    I would like to hear your experience and opinions on what you do and why.

    Take Care

    David

    David
    # Posted 1 year ago
  2. GrantCunningham

    GrantCunningham

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    Joined: Jan '10
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    Rob did a particularly good podcast on this topic some time back:
    http://robpincus.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=468038#
    Click the "Pod" icon at the upper-left of the description to listen.

    I have reservations about the idea of diagnosing a problem under fire. First, you have to take your eyes off the threat for a relatively long period of time. Second, it introduces conditional branches that have to be negotiated under extreme stress. Neither is, IMO, a good habit to develop, and I doubt their success rate in an actual violent encounter.

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    # Posted 1 year ago
  3. cshoff

    cshoff

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    Joined: Jan '10
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    I agree with Grant. Going into a "diagnostic" mode requires the shooter to incorporate a complex thought process that is likely going to be near impossible in the middle of a firefight. Immediately responding to a stoppage with the tap, rack, assess technique under any stoppage condition, on the other hand, is a more a matter of conditioning and muscle memory, similar to a reload. K.I.S.S..........

    Chris S.

    NRA Certified Pistol, PPITH, & PPOTH Instructor
    NRA Certified RSO
    Missouri CCW Instructor
    # Posted 1 year ago
  4. Zman05

    David S.

    Junior Member
    Joined: Mar '10
    Posts: 7

    Grant - Thanks for the link. Excellent presentation with the "whys".
    Rob's thoughts on this are my guiding principles in this area. However, I try to look at other concepts and try to evaluate them to best of my ability. Consequently, I appreciate your and cshoff's opinions.

    Take Care,
    David

    David
    # Posted 1 year ago
  5. RobPincus

    Rob Pincus

    Managing Editor
    Joined: Jan '10
    Posts: 59

    Here's a video showing some students NOT needing to look at their gun to deal with malfunctions using the NDLMD that Grant linked to. Of course, they're blindfolded, so they couldn't look if they wanted to:

    Link to Youtube, if video doesn't play.

    I like Travis and Chris and their training is great, but this is an area where we disagree.

    -RJP

    # Posted 1 year ago

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