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S.W.A.T. Magazine TV Lost Episode 3: Breaching!

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When evil strikes inside a secure building, law enforcement needs to be able to get in and you need to get out! To get this episode started, ALERRT Facility Instructor Marty Adcock goes over the fundamentals of breaching a door with typical mechanical tools, and Rob Pincus joins in on the action for some two-man exercises. Later, Marty shares some concepts of breaching a barrier to escape a threat, discussing the finer points of breaking out a window. Retired law enforcement professional Sandy Wall joins the team to demonstrate his Door Key device, which uses standard-issue flash bangs to breach typical exterior doors. In the Question of the Week segment, our expert panel of instructors addresses having their own students seek out other training views.

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For law enforcement, one of the most critical things is that they are able to get in to help people that actually need them. Today, Adjunct Instructor, Marty Adcock is going to help us understand the breaching techniques that they use and give you some ideas about how to get out if you need to. Hey Mike, so things we've talked about before here as far as breaching from the tactical side, the non tactical side, how to generate the force. I need you to take all that and what you're gonna do is you're gonna step up here and let's go from the tactical side of the door first. All right.

All right? And make the breach. Again, be aware of all the things that can happen to that arm, to that forearm, as it goes through the door, all right? And where you might need to stand to keep that from happening. As well as, you know, taking and generating that force properly, so that you can allow that tool's weight to do the job for you instead of you having to muscle the ram through, all right?

Once we've done that, then I want you to just back up, we'll reset the door and we'll go from the non tactical side. Sounds good. All right. The thing you gotta be aware of, remember, the difference in patrol uniform, and your regular SWAT uniform is you're not going to have a sure footing with those types of shoes, and, you know, your vest is not on the outside, so it's not gonna rotate with the body as well. So those are just some slight things you'll have to be aware of.

How much does this weigh? It's a 35 pound ram. Ready? All right. On you.

All right. And then good, you back up, let your guys flow through the door. And then obviously, again, what we don't wanna do is we don't want to drop the tool on the outside of the door, okay? We wanna make sure that we keep that tool with us, all right? And that way, once the team's flowed through, we can take and drop that tool right there in the first room, all right?

This way, the team doesn't have to come all the way back out of the house if we have a follow on breach inside. We can come right back to that front door. We know that that's where the tool's placed each and every time, we can pick it up, flow on through the house, and use it anywhere we need to inside the house. Let's go ahead and we'll get the door reset and then we'll do it from the non tactical side. Good?

With this in particular type of door, it uses a polymer type pen system, the different color pens being a red, a blue and white. They represent different weights on the door per se. It's just a throw itself for the door knob, or it's a door knob and a dead bolt, or maybe it's a a doorknob with two dead bolts. And we can represent that with the different weights of each pen. This one here, what we're doing just in training, it's a one pen breach.

We're just want to get the motion down. That's the most important thing, how to use the ram and use your in your body as a part of the ram. All right? All right, Mike, we went from the tactical side of the door, all right? So now we're gonna go back to non tactical.

Again, if it's an inset door, we can't get off to the tactical side of the door. We'll have to stand in front of it. Again, the big thing to remember on this is making sure that we follow through with our legs and our hips. Turn that back foot, drive that ram through. This is not an upper body job.

Ram just weighs too much for our upper body to do everything. We have to use those hips, just like battery. All right? So go ahead, get that done. Again, remember, we're gonna hit it, step out of the way, let the team flow.

Once the team flows through, then we can come into the room and down that ram and we wanna down it in the same place each and every time. If we can do that, then the team always knows where that ram is and they can come back to it. Makes sense? Sounds good. All right, go ahead.

Good deal, out of the way, teams flow in, teams flow in. Now you can make your entry and in, down that ram. Good deal. Good job. Being an armed citizen means having a gun with you all the time.

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Really a lot of similarities, a lot of differences. This is a two man task, so for this, we've got you a training partner we're gonna bring in. This is Rob. Hi, Marty. Mike.

Mike, how are you doing, man? All right, man. And what we're gonna do is we're gonna talk about breaching this thing from the tactical side of the door at first. All right, guys, breaching from the tactical side of the door, it's going to be a little bit more difficult because you're having to use the pry bar at its length. Makes sense?

Again, what's gonna happen is Rob's gonna go up here. He'll set the tool. Once he's got the tool set, he's gonna move his hand, all right? And then he's gonna turn around and again, stealth is the key to this whole thing, right? So we don't want Rob having to look at you and tell you, "Hey, it's set.

You can start setting the tool in there now." What he's gonna do is he's just gonna give you a big head nod, all right? Once he gives you the head nod, then you can come up and you can start setting the tool. Real easy, we can set the tool with a ram or we can set it with a sledgehammer. A ram's all we've got access to right now so that's what we'll use, okay? Once he's got the tool in there, you start setting the tool.

My question to the two of y'all is, who do you think is responsible for deciding that that tool is set in there and ready to pry the door open? The ram guy or the tool guy? And it's real simple. The ram guy 'cause he's got a swinging the ram. No, it's real simple.

It's gonna be the tool guy. He's the one that can feel whether that tool was set down into the door properly or not. What he's gonna do is, again, we're beating on the door now. So whiteness does not matter. Stealthiness does not matter.

He's just going to sound off, "Set!" The ram guy can pull back. Once he pulls back, our pry guy can get up here, pry the door, get it popped open. He's the primary breacher at that point. Just because you have the ram in your hand doesn't make you the primary breaching any longer. Now our primary breacher's got closest to the door, it's his job to make sure that he gets a hold of this door, opens it up, so that the team can start flowing through.

The last thing we want to do is the point man have to take his hands off the weapon system to open this door and make his entry. All right? Make sense? Again, can't just drop down the ram out here. Again, can't just drop the pry tool and down it out here.

We need to get those tools inside in case we have follow on breaches to do. Make sense, guys? Okay. All right, let's get it done. Set!

Set! There we go. Rob, get up there. We've got to get ahold of that door. Get that door open, team flows through.

Now you guys can make your entry if the team's made their entry. Now you can down your tools, transition to a weapon system and you're ready to help the rest of the team out in here. All right, good job, guys. Let's get the door reset. What we'll do is we'll set it up for the non tactical side of the door.

Now, in the case of the actual set, when Mike was hitting the hammer, it felt sturdy, it felt good. At that point, obviously I didn't have it set deep enough and I ripped out some of this wood. Actually maybe the door jam, whatever it was. Is there a command that goes with that reset to call him back up? Or obviously I did it, he jumped.

Yeah, that's fine. And you just called it. I mean, it can be whatever code words you want. What our team's gonna use is, "Reset." All right? He still got the ram in his hand, you just get right back up there, "Reset, reset." The element of surprise is over with now.

We can start giving voice commands. He gets back in there. And again, it's a reason that he does not immediately down the tool once you call it set the initial time. He gets up there, he resets the tool for you and you get in there and you pry. Another point I just wanna make real quick with you is what we want to do is we don't want to use that upper body and upper body strength alone to pry this door.

Sometimes that is not going to defeat these doors. If we've gotta throw, we gotta maybe a dead bolt or two deadbolts, we have to use our entire body. So what I'd like to see guys do is they get the tool in here. Once they call it set, what I'd like to see them do is, you know, reach out here, use as much leverage of this tool as you possibly can. And then we're gonna take this thing and we're gonna do it just like we were doing the ram but in reverse.

We're going to pivot on this inside foot, and we're gonna take this back foot and we're gonna bring it around and pop it, all right? Now, being a training door it's not really completely realistic. I understand that. Sometimes the tool hang up in there but we still have to go through the motions of this initial guy right up here with the pry tool in his hand. Once that door goes, reaching over, getting that door open to allow this team to roll through.

All right? We don't want to have shooters taking their hands off of weapons systems to make that entry. All right? Really good job. Let's get this thing reset and what we'll do is we'll do it from the non tactical side of the door, guys.

All right, guys. Not a lot of difference from what we did last time here, okay? The thing is, again, Rob, you're gonna come up here, you're gonna get the tool set in there. You're gonna slide your hand back and out of the way. All right?

That's a huge thing. Numerous guys had their hands injured by, you know, not getting that hand back out of the way, going ahead and giving their breacher the nod or giving their breacher the nod a little early before they get it moved back out of the way or this guy just not paying attention and start setting that tool, all right? We have to pay attention to what's going on up here. Don't need anybody injured before we make the entry. We wanna get that entry made injury free and get in there and handle up our business.

So we'll go up here, you'll set that tool in there again. Slide your hand out of the way, big nod, let him know you're ready. Again, we're in stealth mode right up until the point we have to not be, all right? We're gonna set that tool, he's going to sound it off again. "Set," and again, back up out of the way, breach it, get that door open.

Make sure that team can flow through. All right, let's do it guys. Set! There you go. Door's open good, team's ready to roll, flow in, down your tools, transition to a weapon system and now we're ready to fight.

All right? Good job. Let's reset the door. Perfect. That went much smoother.

Now, Marty, you've been teaching breaching for a long time. I know you work with the ALERRT Facility, you work with Ts, you work with a lot of other organizations and agencies to make sure that their guys can get into places as quickly as possible. Not a real big glory spot on the SWAT team. Not something a lot of people think about. How important is breaching really though?

When we talk about breaching, one of my big things is it's been a completely overlooked aspect of tactical operations, both in the military and law enforcement for years. The way many teams used to pick their breacher was the biggest guy that they could get, hand him around and say, "Good luck." We learned a lot from the 80s and the 90s with narcotics teams busting into houses, ramming doors, ramming windows, all that good stuff. And it's really, breaching has come down to a scientific aspect of things and picking a breacher is really no different than picking a sniper or anybody else for a position in the team. He's gotta be a guy that can analyze the breach point, make the proper decisions and attack that breach point at its weakest point. That's very, very important 'cause without this entry being made, without a whole being made in the wall, in the door, in a window, we don't have an operation.

Now where you're standing off, back out here and we're trying to call a bad guy out. If it's a hostage rescue situation, that's gonna be a no way no. we're not getting in that door, We're not doing the things that we need to do which are inside that house, saving lives. Now, I know that you're an expert in explosive breaching and thermal breaching. Today we're dealing with mechanical breaching and for our viewers at home, I know you've got some ideas about things they might need to take in consideration if they're trapped inside of somewhere, maybe a house is on fire, maybe an active shooter situation and they've gotta get out.

Some things they're gonna think about. And I think we're going to look at some windows later on in the show. Stay tuned to SWAT Magazine TV. We're back in San Marcos, Texas, here at the ALERRT Facility Breaching Facade. And I'm here with Sandy Wall.

Sandy Wall served with Houston Police Department for 28 years, 22 years of that in special operations. And he's come up with a way to use flash bangs to get into doors real quick when mechanical breaching may not be fast enough or secure enough for what we wanna do to get into a room. Tell me about your system. Well, it started out as a bang pole and it's all wrapped around a particular type of munition that defense technology makes. It's is called a command initiated flash bang, which uses thermal tube or shock tube to initiate it from remotely.

And it started out as just a bang pole so they could breach a window, imported distraction of ice for SWAT teams that needed to create that that kind of situation for a first or second story. And then I went ahead and added a particular implement that breaches windows for break and rake, and can also import OC chemical if you need to do that. And then the third implement, which is the one we'll feature today, we call the door key. And it's basically a blast chamber and it can accept either one or two command initiated distraction devices into it. And it forces all of the pressure against the locking mechanism of the door.

So it's isolated, but it can create a tremendous amount of thrust and typically a defeat exterior locking mechanism of a door. Now, you set this up just a few minutes ago. This is a typical exterior construction door. We've got both throws engaged, so this is the kind of thing that would probably could get through this with a ram like we've seen in mechanical breaching, maybe a pry. We could get into types of doors like this a lot of different ways.

What are the advantages of an explosive breach and why might a department wanna go with your system versus traditional high explosive? Well, obviously not only to breach the door but it's the shock effect of it happening, you know, and which is an advantage. It's very quick, very quick to place it, and one of the neat features is that I don't have to be right on top of the door. Whereas if I get shotgun breaching, I have to stand in front of the door to safely engage the throw or even the hinges. From here, I can stand away remotely.

My team can be right here, place the device on here, in about a second, I initiate it, the door is open. No over pressures where the teams have to go get at a safe distance behind shielding. They're just right here, door's open, they're in. And with explosive breaching, as you said, we get that shock and that all effect. We get a little bit of that distraction and we know that we're very likely to get in.

We can do our intel, we know what's gonna get in here. Now, this type of door, normally we use one charge, one flash bang? Absolutely. With a metal door and wooden frame, standard locking mechanisms, one is always enough, but anytime I didn't know or if it's hostage rescue, I can't take a chance. I've gotta get in here.

I can double my energy by putting two munitions, tie them together with a back to my initiation source and a standard door like this is gonna be more than enough energy. Great. And that's what we're gonna see today, a demonstration with two bangs? I'm gonna put my safety glasses on, get out of your way and we'll see how this door key works. Outstanding.

Great. Really impressive. I mean that just laid it in here. I mean, this is obviously, it fell in exactly where you'd want it, out of the way. Team can move in.

May not be that pretty all the time, I Imagine, but. No, and everything's relative to the construction of the door, whether it's a particle board door or of a wood veneer, a solid wood door, a solid metal door, fire door filled with chalk, so everything. And then the locking devices with whatever resistance is having to meet over here. How much energy that door had to absorb in order to defeat that locking device. So it gets into more complicated than I understand, but yeah, this is very similar to what we see with this type of breach.

Well, this is great. I mean, obviously it defeated the mechanism which holds the door to the wall. The throws in the lock is still intact here. That doesn't matter once that wood split out. And of course we lost some of the wood here on the backside as well which is what allowed the door to just sit here and the team can make entry.

Really impressive. Sandy, I certainly appreciate your years of service to police work. I appreciate everything you do with Safari Land, continuing the training, making people safe, and obviously you've got a product here that's gonna help guys do the job that they need to do. Thanks a lot for being on the show. My pleasure.

My day-to-day job is with the training unit with my department, as well as the SWAT team. I work on the SWAT team as a breacher, have for about seven years now, and just recently went over to the sniper team as we trained up a bunch of new breachers. Get that door open, team flows through, now you guys can make your entry if the team's made their entry. You know, the programs that we teach in breaching with the ALERRT program, are breaching programs that are specifically built for first responders. that first responder that's gonna find themselves on that scene of a active shooter.

You know, someone that's initially taken someone hostage and prior to a tactical team's arrival, maybe went active as far as, you know, actively people and those patrol officers having like that entry to get in there and stop the . I really enjoy teaching the tactical aspect of police work as well as military work. The big thing for me is making sure that all the stuff that I've been able to get through the years is passed on to the people that are gonna be coming up and taking my place as I age out of this business. Small pieces, small cuts, no big deal. Big pieces, big cuts, bad day.

What makes our program a little bit different is we teach the history. Where this all came from, why we started doing it. Why breaching is important as it is. Why it's being ignored for many, many years. And the importance of breaching is without that breach, without that entry point, we don't have an operation.

Set! The favorite aspect of breaching to teach for me is gonna be probably getting in there and doing the manual breaching. Mechanical breaching is fun. Mechanical breaching is fun. Explosive breaching is fun.

Ballistic breaching is a lot of fun. But mechanical breaching people get to get in there. You get to see them get excited about getting to tear things up. The really, really good thing about it is seeing them get smart about it. Attacking the weak points of the doors, the windows or whatever you're teaching them to breach at that time.

Everyone knows that it's important to keep an open mind about techniques, tactics, even gear, and to listen to other schools of thought. But when is it most important, when someone's a beginner while someone's still developing your skills or after they've established the fundamentals and they're an advanced student? It'd be great to be able to do it as a beginner. The reality is most people, as soon as they see they something, they take that on and then as they progress through then they see something else. So it's usually the latest, greatest thing when they first acknowledge it.

It'd be great to be able to pick it up as beginners but reality is enjoying the time it's up to you. You've already got some skillset and able to determine which ones are gonna work best for you and what you're doing. From the word go, you know, we believe enough in our product that folks that are doing it right only compliment what we're doing. And I encourage people to get out there and really get a feel for what else was available to them. I think an intermediate level, get a basic foundation and understanding.

Hopefully the basics have been given to them properly. And then from there, that's a good foundation. You can start building your skyscraper from there. So I think it's important for them to start out being very open-minded to all aspects. I look back now and I've never been to a school that I did not learn something.

Take everything you learned, put it back in that little toolbox that you got somewhere stored in the back of your brain, because you never know, even with the things that you didn't like when you might need it. I think early on is best when you need to go really see everything. See it all. And then slowly, what you'll start doing internally is finding a place as you, in the intermediate phase you'll start finding and tweaking your own beliefs towards what you're seeing. Then, but don't get locked in that.

Always go outside, but it's okay to lock onto something and believe that, but don't do it early on because there's a lot of things out there. All the time. I think having the ability to practice critical thinking keeps you from making that mistake as a beginner. You don't wanna spend five years doing something and find out later that it was wrong. I also don't want to be that guy who's been doing it for a few years, you do okay, but then something comes along.

I also don't want to be the guy like me who's been doing it for 30 plus years and discover I'm wrong. I need to continually think, am I doing what I should be doing? Am I working as hard? Am I on the right path? And if sometimes you confront the wrong, that the truth is the other way, it's painful, but too bad.

I would say mopping is just saying, after there's fundamentals and that way they can open themselves up to many different schools of thought and never be absolute with any one way of doing anything. I think it's more important as an advanced student because you need to open up your mind a little bit. A lot of guys tell you, "Well, I've done it this way my whole life." Okay, good for you. But we're not fighting the Vietnam War anymore. We're fighting in other parts of the world.

We need to forget about some of those techniques or we need to look at how we refine them. Keep watching SWAT Magazine TV. Being an armed citizen means having a gun with you all the time. Carrying a firearm every day requires a holster that is both concealable and comfortable. Whether you choose our SuperTuck Deluxe or MiniTuck, you'll have the confidence that comes from being discreetly and comfortably armed, prepared to face unforeseen dangers.

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But right now I know our viewers at home and certainly Carly here in the classroom learning area would love to hear what you have to say about getting out. Why, how, and maybe even when you're gonna need to do this. All right. Now, you know, there's going to be several reasons that we're gonna want to have to, you know, move away from certain things. Maybe it's an active shooter.

Maybe it's a fire. You know, it just depends, but we might wanna to move away from those. And the first training we're gonna try to do is we're gonna try to, you know, avoid the situation altogether. You know, obviously if we can just go out the front door, we're going, but maybe we get driven back into a portion of the building or the back of the house to where we don't have a door access to the exterior. You know, we've got windows in all the houses.

So in most of our buildings and in most of the rooms in the buildings, a window's gonna be an easy place to exit the building. Obviously with this window right here, no big deal. We can come up, we can take, we can pop both locks, open the window and we can make our exit. You know, ideally what we'd probably try to do is, if it's an active shooter situation, go up, get something in front of that door, barricade it up a little bit so that it gives us time to come over here, work the window and make our way out. Again, we wanna do this without getting injured because once we're out, we've got to, again, continue to avoid by moving away from the affected area.

Make sense? Mm-hmm. All right. The problem we're gonna run into, however, is a lot of the windows, especially in commercial buildings, you can't open them. Okay?

So we're gonna have to make that opening ourself. And there's a few things that we have to do in the process of doing that. One of the things is protect yourself. Again, we gave you gloves today because we can do it here in the training environment. But if we're not in the training environment some of the things we might wanna do is maybe a pick up a shirt or a jacket and wrap our hands up.

Once we start breaking glass, we're going to cut ourself up. That's just the way it is. In the home, these are some of the things that we'd available. A baseball bat, we can take it, we can break the window out. And again, when we break that window out, once we've broken it, big hanging pieces of glass, we wanna get those down.

Once we got those down, then we wanna get down to the bottom side where we could get cut up and we're gonna wanna rake that glass out of there a little bit because now we're gonna have to climb over that. And again, we wanna get out uninjured. Make sense? Yup. All right, but not very often we have baseball bats or whatever in a commercial building environment.

But a lot of times we have chairs. Again, we can take, we can wrap our hands up a little bit into a jacket, whatever, and then we can pick the chair up and we can go out the window with a chair. The thing about this window is a small single pane, pretty easy to break out. But still we don't wanna hit it right in the center of the window because that's where the window has the most ability to absorb shock. It flexes is quite a bit.

We wanna go up into the corners a little bit, into the more rigid areas of this window and strike it there so that we can create our initial break and then take, rake that glass out of there. This center span, they don't want like much, it's lighter aluminum but you really gotta put, you know, some weight back behind whatever tool you're using to try to break that out. If you have a center span in that window, break it out. Or leave it in intact, go below it, break this one out, just clean it out. Don't worry about the upper window, all right?

Then clean that bottom out. Now we've still got that shirt that we had wrapped around our hands. We can always take that, pull it off, throw it over here so that gives us a little more protection, and again just make our climb out and make our exit from the area. Make sense? All right, I tell you what.

What we got, we've got this chair right here. We've got a window right here. You wanna do it? Let's do it. All right, let's do it.

All right. Hello, with a smaller chair like that, I may be that turn it over a little bit and grab it by the back side. All right? And that way you can actually swing and strike it. Makes sense?

You generate a little more force then just go for one of the corners with the legs and then you can clean that window out. All right, Carly, good. We got the window broke out initially, okay? But now we've got the big shards. We've gotta get them out of there and get them out of the way so that we can climb out.

So let's just take the chair, poke those pieces of glass, knock them out if you want. All right, that's fine. Keep knocking them out. Put something behind it, get a little something behind that chair and knock them out a little bit. There you go.

Big shards, gotta go. They gotta go. All right, once we get those big shards out of there like that, then we can just take the chair, put the chair down in here, okay? And break those pieces out. Break them if you have to, all right?

Same thing with right up here on the top. Small pieces, small cut, no big deal. Big pieces, big cuts, bad day. All right? Rake that thing in there like you mean it.

You're angry at somebody. You're trying to get away from something. All right? It's gotta go, all of it's gotta go. All right, like I was showing you earlier get that chair down in there, put some weight on it and rake that thing across the bottom.

There you go. Good deal. Good deal. Same thing down that side right there, with big pieces. It's gotta go.

All right, good. Now once we've done that, again, if you didn't have gloves and you'd wrapped your hands with something, a sheet, a coat, whatever. Now you can just take this, all right? You can lay it over that window to allow you a little bit more protection from that broken glass and stuff. All right?

And now you can just make your way out. All right, good deal. Hey, you know, one of the big things is, I mean you did a real good job, but some of the things you have to be aware of especially with big pieces of glass. Like we talked about you make sure you get them all out of here. These things falling, striking you in the back, large cuts, large wounds bleed a lot 'cause they cut them pretty clean.

You can feel it's got a pretty good bit of weight to it so just it falling could cause you some serious injury. Really good job. Really good stuff. Important information. I think a lot of people don't think about the fact.

They like talking about active shooter situation, barricade the door, keep them, deny them as an access to where you are but people don't think about getting out. What do you think are the top three things people should think about in her own home when they start thinking about preparation for the worst case scenario as having to get out of a room through an exit they didn't plan on using. You know, some of the things that people are gonna have to think about is where are they gonna get out at? Where is that exit point? Once they got that exit point, who am I taking with me and how quickly can I gather those people up?

Maybe that exit point is in another room so that you can move to those people, make that exit point there and take them out. And the third big thing is gonna be, "Where am I going and who am I gonna call? Where can I get to to make a phone call to get somebody here to help me?" Be it a fire or be at an intruder in your home or an active shooter into a business. "Where am I going to? What plan have we made?" Because all we need to have some kind of plan and it doesn't have to be written down.

But when you do went through it in our mind numerous times over and over again and maybe you've rehearsed it with our family so they'll know what to do as well. So really breaching fits in in the middle of kind of our standard fire drill response. Who are we gonna go? Where are we gonna go? And what are we gonna do once we get there?

That rally point. The thing is, it reminds me a lot of shooting. You know, the shooting is one thing but if you don't have the presentation from the holster and you aren't thinking about the aftermath and having to use that firearm to defend yourself, you're not really ready. Breaching is an important piece of the puzzle but it is part of a larger puzzle. I really appreciate your work, Marty, appreciate you sharing it with us, both from the law enforcement perspective, and from the civilian perspective.

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