Rob Pincus

S.W.A.T. Magazine TV Lost Episode 1: School Attack

Rob Pincus
Duration:   27  mins

Description

In this episode of S.W.A.T. Magazine TV, Rob Pincus visits the ALERRT Training Facility in San Marcos, TX to learn about how they teach law enforcement professionals from around the country to respond to active school attack situations and how they apply the concepts of their program to help teachers & students prepare to face an armed threat in a classroom in a worst case scenario. We also hear from Jeff Gonzales about LWRC’s TriCon M6 Rifle and you’ll hear from our panel of expert instructors in regard to what they think is the best type of firearm for home defense.

Share tips, start a discussion or ask other students a question. If you have a question for the instructor, please click here.

Make a comment:
characters remaining

One Response to “S.W.A.T. Magazine TV Lost Episode 1: School Attack”

  1. cool breeze

    who makes that sling?

A few years ago, S.W.A.T Magazine and I embarked on a project to bring the world-class trainers that we cover in the magazine, to the TV screen, and let you understand how they train the military, law enforcement and security professionals, and how you can apply their training to your personal home and family defense. The project was a great success, and we ran for two full seasons on air. Now we're bringing you the lost episodes of S.W.A.T Magazine TV. Thanks to support and sponsorship of Crossbreed Holsters and through the production and distribution power of the Personal Events Network, S.W.A.T Magazine TV is back and we've still got the world-class, top level trainers of security, military and law enforcement professionals bringing you tips and techniques that can help you in the worst case scenarios that you prepare for, in terms of your personal, home and family defense. S.W.A.T Magazine TV is all about professional information and how you can apply it to your personal life.

I hope you enjoy these lost episodes brought to you by Crossbreed Holsters, S.W.A.T Magazine, and the Personal Defense Network. Being an armed citizen, means having a gun with you all the time. Carrying a firearm every day requires a holster that is both concealable and comfortable. Whether you choose our SuperTuck Deluxe, or MiniTuck, you'll have the confidence that comes from being discreetly and comfortably armed, prepared to face unforeseen dangers. Crossbreed holsters are handmade in the USA, come with a lifetime warranty, and a two week, try it free, guarantee.

Order your holster today at crossbreedholsters.com. Help me. Help! Help me! Okay, okay.

No wait, don't leave! Please don't leave me! Hold on, what are you doing here? You're gonna be okay. In this first of the lost episodes of S.W.A.T magazine TV we're going to be going to San Marcos, Texas to the alert training facility.

The alert training facility specializes in what we've known as active shooter situations. I prefer to call them school attacker situations because the reality is shooting isn't a bad thing, but attacking schools and attacking children certainly is. The alert facility training staff is among the nation's leaders in preparing law enforcement professionals to deal with these school attacks, whether they involve armed people or unarmed people. They also provide information to students and teachers, and that's what you're going to see at the end of this lost episode. And remember, with S.W.A.T magazine TV online, we're not beholden to the normal timeframes of regular television.

So the last segment is especially long so that you can see all the details of exactly what the alert staff recommend to children and teachers that may be trapped in an actual school attack situation. Watch it with your family, share it with your friends. This is an important lost episode of S.W.A.T magazine TV. Hands up, HANDS UP! There are a plethora of AR 15 type rifles out there on the market.

This is my first time getting to practice with the LWRC Tricon M six. This particular rifle has had over 10,000 rounds on it, never been cleaned. And as you can see, it's still working just fine for me. Let's go to the designer of this rifle, Jeff Gonzalez in pride and concept and find out what makes it so special. So, where we wanted to start was by lightening the rifle.

And the first thing that we did was we took the barrel and we applied the spiral fluting to it. By applying the spiral fluting what that allowed us to do was reduce the barrel's weight by about 20%, which is pretty significant, without compromising any of its performance attributes. After that, the next thing we wanted to do was to try to make the rifle interface with the shooter better. We wanted it to become a part. We wanted the shooter and the rifle to basically be one.

So a lot of the accoutrements that we looked at were the stock, the grip and the vertical foregrip. So with the stock wanted to choose a stock that gave the shooter a really nice cheek well, a good shoulder pocket, the whole ball of wax. And the soft Mott stock met that criteria very well. Using it within the Navy, it was a great, great addition. So it just seemed natural to go here with it.

From there, the pistol grip, we wanted a pistol grip that allowed the shooter to really choke up on that grip and really suck it into his shoulder pocket. And this, my handgrip does that job very well. And then the vertical foregrip. We didn't really need a lot of weight here. So we chose to go with a stubby version of it that allowed us to cut a little bit of weight without you know, cutting too much of that surface area.

So the shooter can still get a really good purchase on that vertical foregrip. All those allow the shooter to just bring that weapon system nice and tight into their body or their shooting stance. After that, we started to look at stuff like a backup iron sights, you know a more aggressive charging handle. And then a lot of work goes on the inside. It's really difficult to see.

We really did a lot of work, you know to make it either function under more arduous conditions through different types of coatings or just through design features that allowed it to be more reliable under extended use type conditions. So, you know, our goal was to create a hard use utility rifle that is going to be just that it's going to get a lot of use out of it. We want to see the shooters taking it out there and putting it through its paces. We're very confident in how this thing's going to work. So we don't expect it to be a prize that you see in a safe, we expect it to be, you know out there getting dirty, getting used getting worn, something like this.

So hopefully you'll see the same thing in the rifle. I get to meet a lot of people involved in the shooting industry, and a lot of people were designing firearms for our use. The fact is there's no better source than someone who's actually used one of these when it counts and someone who teaches people just like me and you how to use the rifles when it comes to rifle design. So I'm really glad that Jeff got to share some of his insight and the things that he thinks are important about the Tricon M six, I'm going to get back to practice. Initial alert program is to get high quality training to our first responders and do it at no cost to them.

Our vision from day one in this program has always been to get this train out and utilize the federal and state grant money. So it doesn't cost the agencies or officers anything to get this kind of training that's desperately needed. And in. Down that ramp. Good deal.

We, we talk about the patrol officer, the actual officers out in the street that are going to be the ones answering that 911 call. So when a mass shooting occurs, whether it be in a school or a terrorist event, whatever triggers that event the first ones are going to be there are the ones in the radio cars that get the dispatch from the 911 center saying, go respond there are shots fired. That's our target audience. Now there's a lot of great programs out there and we are very blessed to consider ourselves one of those programs. I think there's a couple of things that set our program alert aside from the others.

One is we absolutely believe in, core belief is force on force training. You cannot learn active shooter response during a tabletop exercise. Is there a need for that? Absolutely. There's a need for that kind of exercise and testing, but to learn basic fundamental skills you actually have to do it and you have to do it under stress and you have to do it as force on force training.

So that's one of our foundations that we have is force on force training. We also stay very busy. There's no downtime in our classes. There is no time to get bored. We keep people moving all the time and we always have the senior class.

It's like drinking water out of a fire hydrant but we're trying to throw so much information at you. And then probably the third one is we have a research component with our program. We have a PhD professor assigned to us from Texas state university that actually we researched some of the things we teach. The one we're doing currently is room entries. You know that the biggest debates in tactical would often be is which way does the first guy go in a room entry.

So we're put into test. We're using students from Tech State University. We're using police officers to come in and we're setting up cameras and we're actually testing it in a critical research to see, okay, in this environment which way it works in that environment, which way it works. And then we'll publish that out into the, put it right back into the field and let folks see what, okay this is not just my guess of my personal preference of how to do it best, but this has shown in critically researched. This works best.

Here's what we came in, looking for. Here's what we found do they match? If they don't, how long are we going to sit in this room? Maybe not much longer. What we've taught from day one but now we really hammer home even more now is that don't get yourself boxed in that active shooters only happen in schools.

This can happen anywhere and our first responders have to be ready to train, we call train to the hardest standard. Don't train to the person that's going to go into a school and shoot it up and commit suicide when they see you coming. Train to the standard of the Mumbai attackers that are trained terrorists that are going to fight you to the death and you have to be willing, you have to train to standard to go back and fight them and be willing to take a loss that's on our side. And that's a rude awakening for a lot of civilian law enforcement. What we're trying to do it through our training is get people's minds right before this comes to America.

He's bleeding out. I got you bro Get the tourniquet on. Texas state university is the flagship of this program. We would not be where we're at law enforcement wise. We'd not be where we're at today, without them.

And it was nice to have a university of that size actually get down in the weeds and realize the importance of first responder training and being on the cutting edge of that kind of training across the nation. These are all things, complex issues we need to work on, okay? Next group, you're up. What's the best choice for home defense? Rifle, pistol or maybe a shotgun.

Let's see what our experts have to say. From my point of view, I would choose a handgun. And the primary reason behind that is that we have, you know we still have some younglings in our home and it's very difficult to try to rustle and hold and carry and tote with a long arm, whether it be a rifle or shotgun no matter how light or short barreled those items are, handgun gets a lot more maneuverability, just ease of carry for other items that you might have to carry. And in confined spaces, you know, it could be a it could be a huge advantage. Shotgun.

And I think a shotgun is probably, two-prong approach with the shotgun. The mere chambering of the, of the shotgun probably is going to get most people to get out of your, your house. But if you're like my wife, you don't want them to leave. You want to know who's in there and why, and you don't want them to leave. I think you're probably going to take your marginal person, shooter.

Who's going to invest a little bit of time to know the weapon system and they can be pretty accurate with that weapon system, but you don't you can select a certain type of round and not over-penetrate as well. Shotgun, a shotgun for home defense is just amazing. Shotguns are one of the best close quarters battle weapons out there. They immediately place fear in a person's heart. You talked to some of our troops that are overseas right now, and they'll tell you the minute that they start cutting loose with a shotgun they start seeing people run the other direction For me, I would have to say pistol with the technology we have out there today, you know from the Crimson Trace type stuff.

You know, for me personally, it, you know, in a panic you know, the different types of rounds, you know there used to be a theory about over penetration. Well, the technology today is, is vastly improved. So, you know, with Crimson Trace, the light mounted stuff, you know, it depends on if an intruder's at my house at night. Well then for sure, it's definitely a pistol with a bunch of gear on it, but not out of control gear, you know the simple stuff from lasers to light mounted stuff. That's what I would go with.

I like the pistol just because the pistol is a little more compact. For me, it's easier to control. I don't have to worry about anybody grabbing the barrel. A weapon retention is a big thing in that kind of situation. So I would, I would say a pistol.

I prefer the pistol because it's easy to get to in my house. I don't leave a rifle laying around as often as I would have a pistol accessible. I do like the fact with the rifle that I don't have the over penetration issues that I may have with a shotgun or with the pistol. And a lot of people are going to disagree with that. But if you actually look at the penetration capabilities the rifle versus the shotgun versus the pistol you're going to be amazed at the rifle has the least amount of over penetration problems that you're going to deal with.

All of them. Have them all. And loaded. And accessible. When we come back into lost episodes of S.W.A.T magazine TV we're going to see how the alert training staff can prepare just a handful of students to defeat an armed attacker.

Get that gun! Grab it, grab it! Being an armed citizen means having a gun with you all the time. Carrying a firearm every day requires a holster that is both concealable and comfortable, whether you choose our SuperTuck Deluxe or MiniTuck, you'll have the confidence that comes from being discreetly and comfortably armed, prepared to face unforeseen dangers. CrossBreed holsters are handmade in the USA, come with a lifetime warranty and a two week try it free guarantee.

Order your holster today, at crossbreedholsters.com. The gear information is fantastic, but also as a civilian it's interesting to look at it. I'm more likely to run into a situation where guns are being fired if I, you know, where police are there and maybe I just happened to be in the vicinity, it gives me an idea so that when I see the police moving and transitioning, I know what they're doing. I know for obvious reasons why I need to stay out of the way and not interfere with what they're doing. Welcome to personal defense network.

For years, we've been the Internet's leading destination for high quality information on equipment, training, and your preparation for personal or home defense. Our videos are meant for those who are serious about enhancing their ability to use efficient techniques to survive a dynamic critical incident. But now we've stepped things up a bit higher. We've added hours of high quality training videos just for our premium members. This content takes the body of work that is the personal defense network, up to an even higher level.

We've got the same types of experts that you're used to seeing, the people who know not only what to teach, but also how to teach. And most specifically how to convey that information to you efficiently with premium online content. This is simply the best stuff you can find on the web. So how do you get started as a premium member? Simple.

First choose the plan that suits you. You can either pay monthly or sign up for a whole year in advance. Then you're going to find categories of videos that are meant exclusively for you to help enhance your preparation for personal defense. Let's go inside and take a look. On the categories page, you'll find that all of our topics are organized in a way that makes sense so that you can easily find the information you're looking for.

Once you go to a specific category, you'll see our normal short length video tips, you'll also see step-by-step drills with written instructions, as well as full length courses that are designed to help you learn as efficiently as you can with the time you've got. And of course, as you've come to expect from the Personal Defense Network we're always adding new information. We're constantly out taping and collecting video with experts from around the world, that you can find inside of your premium membership, and the best thing you'll be able to take this membership with you with a smartphone, mobile device, or simply log in at whatever computer you happen to be by. Our goal with the Personal Defense Network is simple. Provide you with the highest quality video learning tips that are available.

You'll find them inside of the premium membership. All you have to do is choose how to get started, monthly or annually, and I'll see you on the inside. Welcome back to S.W.A.T. magazine TV All right. Group, thanks for coming out and helping us out this afternoon.

The next course we're going to talk about is something that happens prior to law enforcement or rescue forces, even getting on the scene, and the people that are involved in these incidents actually are involved before we get there. There are the people inside the schools they're the people inside the shopping mall, the restaurant, office building, wherever these take place. What can they do before we show up and we start trying to take control and take charge of the scene? So we're going to go over an acronym we used, it started off trying to explain this to school personnel. And so we called it ADD, which something we figured they would really like, Avoid, Deny, Defend, Okay?

But it pertains to everybody in all walks of life. If you find yourself in one of these situations, ADD is the thing we want you to try to follow. The first is Avoid, okay. Avoiding starts early and often. Everywhere you go, if you go to a restaurant if you're in a shopping mall, if you're at a movie theater it probably helps you a lot to pay attention to what's going on around you.

If you see something about to happen and you're noticing that, you can start to kind of formulate a response ahead of time. If it surprises you, you have much less time to be able to formulate a response and you become reactive to what's going on probably later in the game than you could have been if you'd had situational awareness. Know where the exits are, because avoidance really is going to end up being if there's a problem going on over there I want to go over there, okay? So I've got to get out of the problem. When you get away from the problem, You're not involved in it any more, and that's a good thing.

That means less people that we need to come in and try to save and less people that need rescuing. All right? So avoidance is simply knowing what's going on around you making sure that if something is about to happen, you can kind of key up on that and get away from it, remove yourself from it. Don't get caught up in it. know where the exits are and know how to get there, okay?

Deny. Now that's one that we're going to spend a little bit more time on. If you can not avoid being a target or being a victim of this violence that has just erupted, you need to find a strong point. Someplace that you can fortify and you can defend yourself inside of and keep them away from you. Deny them access to you and those around you.

So we'll look for rooms that don't have a whole lot of openings. We'll look for places that don't have a lot of windows or doors or anything to it, one way in, one way out type of things. And we'll look for good sturdy construction. If we're in a classroom and something goes on, we may just stay in that classroom. Cause they're built pretty solid.

That's not always the case. Sometimes like in Mumbai and Beslan type situations, staying inside the building sometimes is the worst thing to do because that's exactly where they want to keep you. And it keeps us from being able to rescue you. So again, that would default back to avoid if you will, if you know that this is a very coordinated and sophisticated attack, but sometimes sheltering in place may be your best or only option. If you've got doors, you need to close them.

You need to lock them, and you need to take things and barricade behind it. Okay? Put as much between you and the attacker as possible. Anything you can find, you need to try to barricade yourself and shelter in place, all right? At that point, you've done about everything you can to try to avoid being a target or deny access to where you're at.

The last thing, and this is really going to be important. Be prepared to defend yourself, okay? If we're not scared enough yet, we ought to be. And it really is a matter of life and death, your life or death. So it's extremely important for us to get aggressive and start focusing on survival and focusing on winning and focusing on trying to avoid being an easy target for whoever's coming after you.

You putting this stuff in their way, these doors, desk chairs, bookshelves, whatever you've put behind this door may be enough to slow them down. May not be enough to stop them. So slowing them down is good enough. But what happens when they finally do get inside here? What are they going to do?

They're going to victimize you. They're going to hurt you. They're going to kill you. They're going to hurt those around you and kill those around you. We can do something about that.

You have a room full of people and you have one attacker. That's a lot of people that you can throw at one person. You can take that person down. You can make that person stop what they're doing. Just the four of you right here, that's a formidable enough force for anybody that is is out here doing this.

And they walk up on you guys, you should be able to defend yourselves collectively. You should be able to defend yourselves. So you've got to have that mindset. That mindset is going to spur the action. If you got the wrong mindset, I can teach you a lot of things but you're not going to do it.

So get aggressive, get angry take it personal because it is personal at this point. Be prepared to defend yourself. Okay? What in this room do you think you could defend yourself with? Do you see anything in here you could use?

There you go. Trash cans, fire extinguishers. You've got backpacks, books. What's inside those backpacks? You've got pencils, pens, things that are sharp.

You've got chairs. You may have tables. You have anything that could be used as a projectile or as an impact weapon. Start thinking about using it that way. And you've got numbers to your benefit on your side.

It's going to be very, very difficult for one person to take out the four of you unless you get under a desk and just play dead. That doesn't work. We've seen that happen before. That's, it's a natural fear-based response, but that doesn't work when somebody wants to come in and try to take you down. You have backpacks, you probably have books in those backpacks.

What I'm going to teach you also is take your backpacks. And if you have books you probably want to start wearing them, when this situation goes on, to the front like this. Those books inside there will do a lot to stop or slow down the most pistol rounds. That'll be shot at you. So this is a, for lack of a better description or an analogy.

This is almost a poor person's fueled expedient plate carrier right now. Okay? So hopefully you're taking a lot of classes. You'll have a lot more books and it'll help you out a lot more. I don't like some of the things I have to tell you to do but this is a true life and death situation.

It's ugly. It's painful, but it's going to be a lot more so, and it's gonna be a lot easier for them. If we just curl up under a desk and hope that they just walk by us, they don't do that anymore. Get in! Get in!

Get inside, close the door close the door, barricade it, barricade it. There you go. There you go. Up against the door, up against the door, get your backpack, get your backpacks get your backpacks. There he is!

Get that gun, get the gun! Grab it, grab it! All right, good. Good. Break.

Everybody put their stuff down. We'll grab your bags. All right. Let's head on out. Good exercise.

Good exercise. I don't normally wear the fist suits but I'm kind of glad I had the extra padding today. Yeah, they had your number. They avoided, they tried to deny access. They definitely defended.

And I liked the use of the improvise tool as well. John, you certainly prepared them for dealing with an active shooter as best they could. Step us through again, the high points of what they just did Try to avoid it first and foremost, try to avoid being in the area or avoid being part of the problem. If you can't find a place to defend yourself and once you get there, lock it down the best you can put everything you can between them and you at that point, be prepared to defend yourself. And then the rest is gonna happen.

Yeah, and again, they certainly were prepared. There were desks. I just got a glimpse of the fire extinguisher coming in and I was glad I was wearing the extra padding and the fist suit for sure. Listen, man. Great job.

Really appreciate everything you're doing for law enforcement inserting the immediate aftermath, the alert facility giving civilians the opportunity to understand how to avoid, deny, and defend as well. Thanks for being on the show. Thank you. Thank you for watching S.W.A.T magazine TV.

Get exclusive premium content! Sign up for a membership now!